The Road...

Following the Road . . .

Valley psychiatrist goes off the beaten path to treat depression before it becomes too late


Story and photo illustration by Matthew Stewart, Reporter for The Evening Review

Published October 20, 2002


       Building upon a diagnostic technique called "The Road Interview he introduced seven years ago, Steubenville psychiatrist Dr. Robert Roerich continues to advocate the method as a tool to predict and prevent suicide in severely depressed patients.

       Although the American mental health community has yet to embrace his ideas, Roerich has found a more receptive audience in eastern Europe.

       Two years ago he received an e-mail message from a Major Ungureanu at the Center for Psychosocial Studies in Bucharest, Romania who said he'd come across Roerich's " The Road Interview" software on the Internet.  Police had asked Ungureanu to search for a suicide prevention tool that could be used to examine new recruits.

      "Because it came from a hotmail.com address, I thought at first that it was a college student at Yale playing games," Roerich said.  "So I asked for some formal verification like a letter with Romanian stamps and maybe the letterhead of the center.  I finally got a phone call found the inquiry to be legitimate."

      Roerich was invited to the Center for Psychosocial Studies to make a presentation and eventually inspired enough interest to have his book based upon the principles of " The Road Interview" published in Romania under the title of "Drumul" ("The Road").

       Roerich said " The Road Interview" , which involves a series of questions asking a severely depressed subject to visualize walking down a road, is meant to be used in an emergency room.  Interpretation of the answers given to the 15 questions helps physicians determine the level of stress the patient is experiencing.

       Here's how it works:

       The interviewer asks you to imagine walking along a road and then asks about the condition and color of the road.

       You continue walking until you come to a river.  How clean is the water?  How fast is the current?  Is anything in the water?  You have to get to the other side, so how do you cross the river?

       After crossing, you come to a house.  What color is the house, and what is it's condition?  Does anyone live there?  If so, who?  You need to enter the house.  How do you get in?  Once in, it's dark, so you turn on a light.  What room are you in and what does it look like?

       You leave the house and come across a cup.  What color is the cup?  What condition is it in?  What, if anything, is inside the cup?

       As you continue, there is an obstacle in the road.  Describe it.  How do you get by the obstacle.  Once you get by, there is another obstacle and still another and another.  Describe them and tell how you overcome the obstacles.

       Finally, you come to the end of the road.  What do you see there?  Is it an inviting field with tall grass?  Is the grass high, medium or cut low? 

       From the information supplied by Roerich, some of the particular questions involved in the Road Interview can take different forms, but the essential issues are the same.  The idea is to let the mind of the subject operate in the world of mental symbols.  Those symbols then are interpreted based upon certain principles derived from psychoanalytic tradition and universal symbol codes.

       Roerich says that because " The Road Interview" forces the subject to imagine the experience and respond in ways that prohibit calculated responses, it renders a more valid evaluation of the subconscious mind, which can be reached only through the language of symbols.

       By interpreting the answers, the skilled interviewer ultimately can come up with a "score" that determines the anxiety and stress level of the subject, which Roerich says can be used to gauge the likelihood of drastic behaviors like suicide.

       " Other interviews rely on the honesty of the patient," he said.  "But the groups most at-risk for suicide often are not honest about their true feelings under such conditions.  Instead they try to beat the test by supplying answers they think you want to hear."

       Developed by Sigmund Freud, psychoanalysis attempts to locate a mental struggle hidden deep inside the unconscious mind, and therefore, unavailable to the patient.  This psychodynamic perspective divides the mind into three compartments: the conscious, preconscious, and unconscious mind.

       A practitioner of psychoanalysis uses various means to gain access to a patient's subconscious mind-- dream analysis, hypnosis and interviews among them.  The assumption is that the true conflict at the root of the patient's current condition has been locked away due to some form of trauma, which is often traceable to childhood experience.

       Because there are no direct links between the conscious and unconscious mind, symbols are used to open the otherwise closed door.  As such, the Freudian places a great deal of emphasis on the language of dreams, which is seen as symbolic.

       Although Roerich admits that psychoanalysis is currently out of fashion in treatment circles and that "no one has ever statistically validated it," he believes " The Road Interview" is a way of making the best of the psychoanalytical tool box.  Because it so easily and successfully bypasses the filters of the conscious mind, the interview is a very useful tool for doctors to get vital information quickly.

       Roerich did not invent the principles behind " The Road Interview,"  but he found a way to turn the ideas into a diagnostic instrument based upon the language of mental imagery.

       "What I'm hoping for is statistical validation," he said, " because that's what the American psychiatric establishment wants.  The gold standard here is still the MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory).  It is very useful for severely anxious people, but it's also a very complex test with hundreds of questions, and clever patients can beat it.  " The Road Interview" is very simple and can be assessed quickly, but on this issue, the Americans just don't want to think outside the box."

       In September of this year, Romanian psychologist Stefan Lita presented statistical validation of Roerich's method at a conference held in that country.  The Romanian military and police already use " The Road Interview" and Dr. Roerich was awarded the Jandarmeria bronze medal for his contribution.

       " It is my hope that mental health professionals around the world will avail themselves of this new knowledge and help treat depression and suicide before it becomes unmanageable," Roerich said.


       A basic version of " The Road Interview" can be located for download on the Internet at
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